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Title: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 06, 2017, 03:18:45 AM
I just want to suggest Gm about staff of mages esp. both 2 hand and single handed staffs.

Correct me if im wrong 2 hand staff should meant to have higher damage than single handed staff, and single handed staff should have lesser damage compare to 2 handed staff.

currently power cane and power staff  has atleast 20 atk point difference well in fact 2 handed and single handed weapons are merely different if we're going to base it in particular ( damage. )
My suggestion is can you  make  an adjustment in terms of damage atk or  power strike if needed just to make it more balance.
Its useless wearing 2handed staff risking def just to get higher damage than single hand and now single handed staff + sheiled are being used to get equivalent damage or let me say way much higher damage than 2hand staff.

Thank you and God Bless
Nefer


Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: darkdead on February 06, 2017, 06:02:33 AM
2hand is wayfaster than 1hand
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: fhulgzz on February 06, 2017, 06:44:25 AM
2hand is wayfaster than 1hand
No, 1 hand says "slow attack speed" and 2 hand is "very slow attack speed"
So it means 1 hand cane is much faster than 2 hand staff.
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on February 06, 2017, 08:31:41 AM
depend is your using at where.

if hunt i prefer 1 hand + shield,

the same as in Kruma, if you want to breathe much longer wear one hand + shield damage your risk is reduced a bit but hard one hit by the archer.,  excess two hand big damage but open ur eyes bcause archer ready to pounce with one shot that makes us critical blood even die  :)

please choose  :g20:  more damage or more life
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: ShaunEX on February 06, 2017, 09:14:50 AM
I just want to suggest Gm about staff of mages esp. both 2 hand and single handed staffs.

Correct me if im wrong 2 hand staff should meant to have higher damage than single handed staff, and single handed staff should have lesser damage compare to 2 handed staff.

currently power cane and power staff  has atleast 20 atk point difference well in fact 2 handed and single handed weapons are merely different if we're going to base it in particular ( damage. )
My suggestion is can you  make  an adjustment in terms of damage atk or  power strike if needed just to make it more balance.
Its useless wearing 2handed staff risking def just to get higher damage than single hand and now single handed staff + sheiled are being used to get equivalent damage or let me say way much higher damage than 2hand staff.



Thank you and God Bless
Nefer

 :g20: :g20: :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: gypsy on February 06, 2017, 12:21:53 PM
same thoughts.  :g7: :g7:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: dejabauj on February 06, 2017, 12:25:01 PM
I just want to suggest Gm about staff of mages esp. both 2 hand and single handed staffs.

Correct me if im wrong 2 hand staff should meant to have higher damage than single handed staff, and single handed staff should have lesser damage compare to 2 handed staff.

currently power cane and power staff  has atleast 20 atk point difference well in fact 2 handed and single handed weapons are merely different if we're going to base it in particular ( damage. )
My suggestion is can you  make  an adjustment in terms of damage atk or  power strike if needed just to make it more balance.
Its useless wearing 2handed staff risking def just to get higher damage than single hand and now single handed staff + sheiled are being used to get equivalent damage or let me say way much higher damage than 2hand staff.

Thank you and God Bless
Nefer

hallerrr its k13 not k12 so if 2hand is much higher than 1 hand it not different with k12
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Shiva on February 06, 2017, 06:10:28 PM
No, 1 hand says "slow attack speed" and 2 hand is "very slow attack speed"
So it means 1 hand cane is much faster than 2 hand staff.

Maybe he meant the movement speed increase  :)

2 Hand has +2 while 1 Hand has +1 only

 :) :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Simple on February 06, 2017, 06:21:57 PM
I just want to suggest Gm about staff of mages esp. both 2 hand and single handed staffs.

Correct me if im wrong 2 hand staff should meant to have higher damage than single handed staff, and single handed staff should have lesser damage compare to 2 handed staff.

currently power cane and power staff  has atleast 20 atk point difference well in fact 2 handed and single handed weapons are merely different if we're going to base it in particular ( damage. )
My suggestion is can you  make  an adjustment in terms of damage atk or  power strike if needed just to make it more balance.
Its useless wearing 2handed staff risking def just to get higher damage than single hand and now single handed staff + sheiled are being used to get equivalent damage or let me say way much higher damage than 2hand staff.

Thank you and God Bless
Nefer

 :g20: :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Shiva on February 06, 2017, 07:42:37 PM
Maybe he meant the movement speed increase  :)

2 Hand has +2 while 1 Hand has +1 only

 :) :)

Never mind just checked now...

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Shiva on February 06, 2017, 08:02:02 PM
GM the stats need to be adjusted a bit,

(https://forum-tantra-k13.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxBPtRZ6.png&hash=894b19fc4b26408809fc94192d02458c207573aa)

The differences between the POWER WEAPONS are too small which leads to the use of the CANE instead because it is worthier than the STAFF.

The combination of CANE and SHIELD are a lot stronger than just the STAFF itself.
(https://forum-tantra-k13.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKiJljhO.jpg&hash=df50c46f2ec9f40de20890853c6e6815330bb04f)

The use of CANE and SHIELD allows the user to be tanky enough to sustain damages from enemies allowing them to survive longer in fights and deal damage at the same time.
All Chakra 50 increase
1200 Defense Rate Increase
Attribute Damage 18% Absorbed
Damage Absorbed 15%
and 5000hp increase
are a big deal.

While the difference of the 2 WEAPONS are:
5 Durability
20Max Attack Rate
All Chakra 5 Increase
50TP Recover
All Power Strike 2% Increase
CANE = Normal Attack Speed
STAFF = Very Slow Attack Speed
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 06, 2017, 11:45:04 PM
depend is your using at where.

if hunt i prefer 1 hand + shield,

the same as in Kruma, if you want to breathe much longer wear one hand + shield damage your risk is reduced a bit but hard one hit by the archer.,  excess two hand big damage but open ur eyes bcause archer ready to pounce with one shot that makes us critical blood even die  :)

please choose  :g20:  more damage or more life

Ma'am still has a big difference .try checking it :D not for faming or lvl or kruma :D
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: darkdead on February 06, 2017, 11:45:49 PM
2hand staff is faster, it says very slow attack but thats melee, in a fight between 2 mages the mage with the 2hand staff will cast sleep faster
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 06, 2017, 11:47:39 PM
2hand staff is faster, it says very slow attack but thats melee, in a fight between 2 mages the mage with the 2hand staff will cast sleep faster

SERIOUSLY? 1 HAND IS MORE EFFICIENT IN USING SLEEP SKILL. CAN CAST AT LEAST NANO SEC FASTER THAN 2 HANDED
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 06, 2017, 11:48:30 PM
GM the stats need to be adjusted a bit,

(https://forum-tantra-k13.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FxBPtRZ6.png&hash=894b19fc4b26408809fc94192d02458c207573aa)

The differences between the POWER WEAPONS are too small which leads to the use of the CANE instead because it is worthier than the STAFF.

The combination of CANE and SHIELD are a lot stronger than just the STAFF itself.
(https://forum-tantra-k13.3000fr.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FKiJljhO.jpg&hash=df50c46f2ec9f40de20890853c6e6815330bb04f)

The use of CANE and SHIELD allows the user to be tanky enough to sustain damages from enemies allowing them to survive longer in fights and deal damage at the same time.
All Chakra 50 increase
1200 Defense Rate Increase
Attribute Damage 18% Absorbed
Damage Absorbed 15%
and 5000hp increase
are a big deal.

While the difference of the 2 WEAPONS are:
5 Durability
20Max Attack Rate
All Chakra 5 Increase
50TP Recover
All Power Strike 2% Increase
CANE = Normal Attack Speed
STAFF = Very Slow Attack Speed

PRECISELY  -
GM PLEASE SOME REVAMP ON THE SAID STATS THANKS.

 :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: LeDeux on February 07, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
It is only the text bug though. If you use cane your base damage is 11k+, if you use staff your base samage is 13k+.. So those damages is only text. In reality staff has more damage.
 
If you have both, click L and check..
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 07, 2017, 02:46:22 AM
hallerrr its k13 not k12 so if 2hand is much higher than 1 hand it not different with k12

 :g52: :g52: :g52: excuse me? kahit anong k11 k12 or k13 using 2 hand weapon still has and will have a big difference in terms of damage while using 1 hand.. lol ... compare single h axe to 2h axe.. ? ehehee get my point
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: urelss023 on February 07, 2017, 02:49:42 AM
It is only the text bug though. If you use cane your base damage is 11k+, if you use staff your base samage is 13k+.. So those damages is only text. In reality staff has more damage.
 
If you have both, click L and check..


okay let me check it once i got my 1h cane.
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: LeDeux on February 07, 2017, 03:16:29 AM

okay let me check it once i got my 1h cane.

Staff has 2k more base damage but in pvp it doesn't result that much  :lol: maybe 1k difference on sugama, zakuti.
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: macoi on February 07, 2017, 09:07:42 AM
the text on Stat of Power Cane and Staff is just balance..
Maybe the effect is kinda BUG.. Dunno..  ? ?
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: luther143 on February 07, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
2 hand staff got more damage than 1 hand.. i had tested both weapon.. masakit tlga yung 2 hand  13k++ damage  with 35-37k HP , while yung 1 hand 10k++ damage  with 44k HP , kung baga may gap damage  2k -3k per skill,   yung shield kasi 5k+ HP ang dagdag + def + absorb , kaya lang namn mas marami ka tlgang makikita na nka shielded coz of the stats ng shield.  sa sakit ba nmn ng mga combo d2 e .     :) :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: gaille14 on March 30, 2017, 04:25:26 AM
 :cry-y: :cry-y: :cry-y:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on March 30, 2017, 05:21:15 PM
i think all is balance now.

i have staff 2 hand and cane + shield. i using it all.

so no need change anything.   :g20:

if want more damage ? use staff.   disadvantange of staff: long casting duration skill but u have damage +2000 than cane

if want fast casting skill use cane + shield.  :g20: :g20: :g20:

so up to player choose. if u have more taney / budget i recomendation  use cane +shield  :lol:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: QueenBexver on March 30, 2017, 09:04:32 PM
PRECISELY  -
GM PLEASE SOME REVAMP ON THE SAID STATS THANKS.

 :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20: :g20:

this is absolutely what i'm trying to speak out  :g196: and wanting to change, but one of the staff just objected my suggestion, before in tantra k12 and even during Legendary Heavy Staff days or LHS, those are the days when you couldn't see any mages using cane with shield, only few of us mages were using it, and those mages who use this thing, are afraid to be killed, that's why they use this with max heart build. in the former server which is the k11 and k12 we enjoy sidharu with great damage, but now? mages enjoy max heart with cane and shield weapon to avoid quick death, and the result ? only few of the known great mages in former server have been existing this time, and for me to stop crying in here and asking for  impossible approval yet no one would listen, I better sell my account off  :g8:  :) still a good game  :g20: 
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: ANONYMOUS on March 30, 2017, 09:12:55 PM
this is absolutely what i'm trying to speak out  :g196: and wanting to change, but one of the staff just objected my suggestion, before in tantra k12 and even during Legendary Heavy Staff days or LHS, those are the days when you couldn't see any mages using cane with shield, only few of us mages were using it, and those mages who use this thing, are afraid to be killed, that's why they use this with max heart build. in the former server which is the k11 and k12 we enjoy sidharu with great damage, but now? mages enjoy max heart with cane and shield weapon to avoid quick death, and the result ? only few of the known great mages in former server have been existing this time, and for me to stop crying in here and asking for  impossible approval yet no one would listen, I better sell my account off  :g8:  :) still a good game  :g20: 

well said  :g20: :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Global-Supervisor on March 30, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Power staff gives higher damage than cane, no doubt. Its just that 2hand staff users cannot handle any combo damage from enemies, they easily die because their HP (even max Heart) is still low.. I would like you to come up with better suggestions..
like these:
a. Lower the dmg of cane?
b. add more HP to 2hand staff?
c. add more powerstrike to the staff?
d. decrease chakra added in shield?

give me your best suggestion.. maybe we can fix this issue.  :g34:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Maestro on March 30, 2017, 09:28:09 PM
They need tov for 2handed staff users GM thats what i guess
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on March 30, 2017, 10:31:29 PM
Power staff gives higher damage than cane, no doubt. Its just that 2hand staff users cannot handle any combo damage from enemies, they easily die because their HP (even max Heart) is still low.. I would like you to come up with better suggestions..
like these:
a. Lower the dmg of cane?
b. add more HP to 2hand staff?
c. add more powerstrike to the staff?
d. decrease chakra added in shield?

give me your best suggestion.. maybe we can fix this issue.  :g34:

Dont change anything  :g118:

for now, all weapon and shield is a good. shield not for deva only but in use for FS / SATYA. pls dont change / decrease chakra at shield.

deva still low HP. if GM  change low decrease chakra at shield. please bring +10k hp in Shield. i will agree. but if just only decrease chakra. i very not agree. is not fair.

of the complaint continues never satisfied, why not create char and use the cane and shield. ???

Game for Fun, more enjoy if dont  complain continues. just play  :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Global-Supervisor on March 30, 2017, 10:48:48 PM
Dont change anything  :g118:

for now, all weapon and shield is a good. shield not for deva only but in use for FS / SATYA. pls dont change / decrease chakra at shield.

deva still low HP. if GM  change low decrease chakra at shield. please bring +10k hp in Shield. i will agree. but if just only decrease chakra. i very not agree. is not fair.

of the complaint continues never satisfied, why not create char and use the cane and shield. ???

Game for Fun, more enjoy if dont  complain continues. just play  :g20:


"Game for Fun, more enjoy if dont  complain continues. just play " :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: SEAL TEAM 6 on March 30, 2017, 10:59:11 PM
Power staff gives higher damage than cane, no doubt. Its just that 2hand staff users cannot handle any combo damage from enemies, they easily die because their HP (even max Heart) is still low.. I would like you to come up with better suggestions..
like these:
a. Lower the dmg of cane?
b. add more HP to 2hand staff?
c. add more powerstrike to the staff?
d. decrease chakra added in shield?

give me your best suggestion.. maybe we can fix this issue.  :g34:

Just add more powerstrike to the staff much better make it 35%  :g19:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: gaille14 on March 30, 2017, 11:42:30 PM


c. add more powerstrike to the staff

Power staff gives higher damage than cane, no doubt. Its just that 2hand staff users cannot handle any combo damage from enemies, they easily die because their HP (even max Heart) is still low.. I would like you to come up with better suggestions..
like these:
a. Lower the dmg of cane?
b. add more HP to 2hand staff?
c. add more powerstrike to the staff?
d. decrease chakra added in shield?

give me your best suggestion.. maybe we can fix this issue.  :g34:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: QueenBexver on March 31, 2017, 12:03:52 AM
Power staff gives higher damage than cane, no doubt. Its just that 2hand staff users cannot handle any combo damage from enemies, they easily die because their HP (even max Heart) is still low.. I would like you to come up with better suggestions..
like these:
a. Lower the dmg of cane?
b. add more HP to 2hand staff?
c. add more powerstrike to the staff?
d. decrease chakra added in shield?

give me your best suggestion.. maybe we can fix this issue.  :g34:





well, the only thing that i would wanted to change is that increase its power strike attack and add a little chakra for Power staff. while  the shield decrease its chakra, for cane, decrease 5% strike attack and increase defense also avoidance. Also no need to add HP for staff, only strike attack and chakra increase, to make killing fast and not boring
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Maestro on March 31, 2017, 12:08:21 AM
Suggestion:
1. Lower the cane stats chakra
2. Higher the Staff chakra
3. Change the Shield stats into tribal options like:
                                       Mages: Avoid 20% and with the present stats
                                       Banar : Stun resist 10% and with the presents stats
                                       Yuda  : 40% HP increase and 5000 decrease power strike
                                       Asura : 20% chaya resist and 20% Blind resist + with the present stats of shield( this time power sword can be usefull)  :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: 3000 on March 31, 2017, 12:11:02 AM
Hi ... Study ...  :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Maestro on March 31, 2017, 12:24:55 AM
Hi ... Study ...  :)

Additonal:

1. Put new charms and necklace either tribal or not.. or same with the old fr stat files  :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on March 31, 2017, 07:08:41 AM
Hi ... Study ...  :)

GM, dont forget bring back a Shield Tribe for a different tribe. so they no need complain again,  i think for solution : release the charm at K12 old.  TOB TOS TOV and Shield tribe folowing by tribe / job i think is fair  :g20: :g20: 

deva, satya fs can use a different shield with different stat/option chakra. if forget. i have a ss old picture K12.  :) :)
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on March 31, 2017, 07:15:32 AM




well, the only thing that i would wanted to change is that increase its power strike attack and add a little chakra for Power staff. while  the shield decrease its chakra, for cane, decrease 5% strike attack and increase defense also avoidance. Also no need to add HP for staff, only strike attack and chakra increase, to make killing fast and not boring

what u mean decrease 5% strike attack ? cane is a low damage and u sugest for decrease strike again ? are u drinking or drugs ? or u dont have cane ? so are u jelous for cane ??? so Buy cane and try use. 
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: QueenBexver on March 31, 2017, 07:58:24 AM
what u mean decrease 5% strike attack ? cane is a low damage and u sugest for decrease strike again ? are u drinking or drugs ? or u dont have cane ? so are u jelous for cane ??? so Buy cane and try use. 


You don't have to screw me my friend :) it was just my suggestion. at the end of the day the decision will be on the admins  :biggrin: so don't cry yet  :cry-y: I have no use for cane either  :p its for those wanna be's whos afraid of sudden death  :g162: Good Game  :g20:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: METRO on March 31, 2017, 10:10:58 AM

You don't have to screw me my friend :) it was just my suggestion. at the end of the day the decision will be on the admins  :biggrin: so don't cry yet  :cry-y: I have no use for cane either  :p its for those wanna be's whos afraid of sudden death  :g162: Good Game  :g20:

SO ??? DONT ABUSE FLOOD and FLOOD CANE etc,. JUST PLAY. GAME FOR FUN. not Complain again again again.  :g20b: :g20b: :g20b: :g20b:
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: Brighter on March 31, 2017, 11:11:46 AM
As a mage, I already like the current stats of the staff and the cane.

I tried testing the damages of the staff and cane. Definitely the staff gives higher damage than the cane even though the Attack Damage/Rating has only a slight difference in the stats.

Some jobs/tribes are already 3-4hits with mages (e.g. Karya/Druka and Yuda). Let's not make to a point that it will only be 2-3hits if it means increasing the damage of the staff.

Each tribe has its own Pros and Cons.

MY OWN OPINION. Respect it.
Title: Re: 2 handed Staff
Post by: SinoN on March 31, 2017, 12:23:32 PM
As a mage, I already like the current stats of the staff and the cane.

I tried testing the damages of the staff and cane. Definitely the staff gives higher damage than the cane even though the Attack Damage/Rating has only a slight difference in the stats.

Some jobs/tribes are already 3-4hits with mages (e.g. Karya/Druka and Yuda). Let's not make to a point that it will only be 2-3hits if it means increasing the damage of the staff.

Each tribe has its own Pros and Cons.

MY OWN OPINION. Respect it.

 :g20: :g20: :g20: